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	<title>Comments on: What does Everyone Like?  What&#8217;s niche?</title>
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		<title>By: Capn John</title>
		<link>http://tatteredpage.net/2006/12/21/what-does-everyone-like-whats-niche/#comment-2287</link>
		<dc:creator>Capn John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Blizzard themselves poke fun at this stereotype. Just type /silly a few times when you play your female Night Elf and she'll eventually come out with something like: 
"Oh look, there I go, dancing again. I hope you and your friends are enjoying the show."

Perhaps the most disturbing quasi conversation I had was while playing my female Gnome Rogue. One fellow sent me a PST telling me I looked like I was 10 years old, then promptly asked me if I wanted to Cyber. Perhaps we can also stereotype WoW players by their female toons (on Alliance side, at least)

Female NE - male player, any age from puberty onwards.
Female Human - mature female player
Female Dwarf - mature female player
Female Gnome - teenage or younger female player (not fitting the stereotype here ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Blizzard themselves poke fun at this stereotype. Just type /silly a few times when you play your female Night Elf and she&#8217;ll eventually come out with something like:<br />
&#8220;Oh look, there I go, dancing again. I hope you and your friends are enjoying the show.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the most disturbing quasi conversation I had was while playing my female Gnome Rogue. One fellow sent me a PST telling me I looked like I was 10 years old, then promptly asked me if I wanted to Cyber. Perhaps we can also stereotype WoW players by their female toons (on Alliance side, at least)</p>
<p>Female NE - male player, any age from puberty onwards.<br />
Female Human - mature female player<br />
Female Dwarf - mature female player<br />
Female Gnome - teenage or younger female player (not fitting the stereotype here <img src='http://tatteredpage.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chas York</title>
		<link>http://tatteredpage.net/2006/12/21/what-does-everyone-like-whats-niche/#comment-2255</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points, Zubon.

I'm also curious regarding the spending of vulgar vs refined.

It's not even that I'm driven for family gaming.  I DO believe that online games would do well to think of the multiple-gamer family more, but what probably got me so fixated on that comment was that so many game developers DO tend to think that way:

Let's mix gratuitous violence, barely covered breasts, and an artstyle / effects of ginormous proportions and we'll have a blockbuster.

Now, I enjoyed the mindless testosterone-and-dynamite flicks like Predator, Starship Troopers, and Eight Legged Freaks.  They ARE fun.  I'm just tired of seeing every hopeful title end up turning into one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, Zubon.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious regarding the spending of vulgar vs refined.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even that I&#8217;m driven for family gaming.  I DO believe that online games would do well to think of the multiple-gamer family more, but what probably got me so fixated on that comment was that so many game developers DO tend to think that way:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s mix gratuitous violence, barely covered breasts, and an artstyle / effects of ginormous proportions and we&#8217;ll have a blockbuster.</p>
<p>Now, I enjoyed the mindless testosterone-and-dynamite flicks like Predator, Starship Troopers, and Eight Legged Freaks.  They ARE fun.  I&#8217;m just tired of seeing every hopeful title end up turning into one.</p>
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		<title>By: Zubon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zubon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the concept you're looking for is "family."  Sure, sex sells, but you don't take the kids to go see it.  PG-rated movies excel because their potential audience is wider.  Also, kids want to see the same movie five times, then buy Finding Nemo on DVD and watch it twice a day in their Finding Nemo pajamas while holding a stuffed Squirt.

You will see the same pattern in gaming, I am sure.  Mario did not become a superstar on the weight of Princess Toadstool's breasts.  Whether this applies to online games is more questionable.  In the United States, it is illegal for the under-13 crowd to play your game.  That probably stops few, as I still see lots of kids in-game, but many parents would not let their kids have unrestricted internet play anyway.  There is no loss in potential audience for making your game PG-13.

There are two obvious counter-points.

First, you can be vulgar, prurient, and/or dumb without actually flashing breasts.  The swords and explosions are just the most visible manifestations.  The top movies include a fair amount of vulgar and dumb.

Second, you seem to be confusing the superstars with the majority.  The best movies are good; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sturgeon's Revelation&lt;/a&gt; still applies.  A lot of the 90% that is crud will be vulgar, prurient, and dumb.  I expect the &lt;strong&gt;best&lt;/strong&gt; shows on TV to be good.  I expect most of it to be The Simple Life, fifteen Survivor clones, soap operas, pro wrestling, daytime talk shows, and so on.

A stronger argument would be about what percentage of the total spending goes towards the refined versus the vulgar.  That is something I do not know.

I do note the top 10 films include Shrek 2, Phantom Menace, Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Spider-Man, Revenge of the Sith, and Spider-Man 2.  That sounds like a good mix of vulgar, dumb, explosions, and even Samuel Jackson's glowing purple sword.  You can debate whether Titanic fits any of that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the concept you&#8217;re looking for is &#8220;family.&#8221;  Sure, sex sells, but you don&#8217;t take the kids to go see it.  PG-rated movies excel because their potential audience is wider.  Also, kids want to see the same movie five times, then buy Finding Nemo on DVD and watch it twice a day in their Finding Nemo pajamas while holding a stuffed Squirt.</p>
<p>You will see the same pattern in gaming, I am sure.  Mario did not become a superstar on the weight of Princess Toadstool&#8217;s breasts.  Whether this applies to online games is more questionable.  In the United States, it is illegal for the under-13 crowd to play your game.  That probably stops few, as I still see lots of kids in-game, but many parents would not let their kids have unrestricted internet play anyway.  There is no loss in potential audience for making your game PG-13.</p>
<p>There are two obvious counter-points.</p>
<p>First, you can be vulgar, prurient, and/or dumb without actually flashing breasts.  The swords and explosions are just the most visible manifestations.  The top movies include a fair amount of vulgar and dumb.</p>
<p>Second, you seem to be confusing the superstars with the majority.  The best movies are good; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law" rel="nofollow">Sturgeon&#8217;s Revelation</a> still applies.  A lot of the 90% that is crud will be vulgar, prurient, and dumb.  I expect the <strong>best</strong> shows on TV to be good.  I expect most of it to be The Simple Life, fifteen Survivor clones, soap operas, pro wrestling, daytime talk shows, and so on.</p>
<p>A stronger argument would be about what percentage of the total spending goes towards the refined versus the vulgar.  That is something I do not know.</p>
<p>I do note the top 10 films include Shrek 2, Phantom Menace, Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Spider-Man, Revenge of the Sith, and Spider-Man 2.  That sounds like a good mix of vulgar, dumb, explosions, and even Samuel Jackson&#8217;s glowing purple sword.  You can debate whether Titanic fits any of that list.</p>
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